Lawrence Butler or Michael Helman

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Lawrence Butler or Michael Helman Player Statistics
	Lawrence Butler CF,RF - ATH	Michael Helman CF - TEX
2026 Stats


At Bats	472	30

Runs	64	2

Hits	113	5

Singles	75	3

Doubles	19	1

Triples	2	0

Home Runs	17	1

RBI	62	2

Stolen Bases	10	0

Caught Stealing	7	0

Walks	61	1

Strikeouts	138	6

Batting Average	.239	.167

On Base Pct	.328	.235

Slugging Pct	.396	.300

On-base Plus Slugging	.724	.535

Lawrence Butler or Michael Helman Player Projections
	Lawrence Butler CF,RF - ATH	Michael Helman CF - TEX
2026 Projections


At Bats	505	91

Runs	73	12

Hits	123	20

Singles	73	12

Doubles	27	5

Triples	2	0

Home Runs	21	3

RBI	66	11

Stolen Bases	19	3

Caught Stealing	5	0

Walks	49	6

Strikeouts	146	23

Batting Average	.244	.218

On Base Pct	.311	.270

Slugging Pct	.430	.369

On-base Plus Slugging	.741	.639

Lawrence Butler or Michael Helman Player Notes
	Lawrence Butler CF,RF - ATH	Michael Helman CF - TEX
News
	Lawrence Butler went 3-for-4 in a 9-7 win over the Angels with one double, one triple, two runs scored, and one RBI. Chris Schommer Wed, Sep 23rd	The Rangers activated OF Michael Helman from the 60-day injured list. Ari Koslow Tue, Sep 22nd
	Lawrence Butler went 2-for-4 in Thursday’s loss to the Rays with a solo home run. Chris Schommer Fri, Sep 18th	The Rangers sent Michael Helman on a rehab assignment to Triple-A Round Rock. Ari Koslow Tue, Sep 15th
	Lawrence Butler went 3-for-5 in a win over the Mariners with a two-run home run and one double. Chris Schommer Sat, Sep 12th	The Rangers transferred OF Michael Helman to the 60-day injured list. Ari Koslow Fri, Jun 19th
	Lawrence Butler went 1-for-4 in a win over the Mariners with a two-run home run. Chris Schommer Sun, Sep 6th	Michael Helman suffered multiple fractures in his right hand when he was hit by a pitch in Saturday's 6-3 loss to the Boston Red Sox. Nicholas Rodriguez Sun, Jun 14th
	Lawrence Butler went 1-for-3 in a loss to the Orioles with two walks, one stolen base, and one RBI. Chris Schommer Sun, Aug 30th	The Rangers recalled Michael Helman from Triple-A Round Rock. Ari Koslow Mon, May 18th
Notes
	Lawrence Butler followed his 2024 breakout with a more volatile 2025 campaign, posting a .234/.306/.404 line with 21 homers and 22 steals across 630 PA while his strikeout rate climbed to 28.4%. The underlying power remained solid (90.0 mph average exit velocity, 44.4% hard-hit rate), but a drop in ISO (.228 Kelly Kirby - FantasyPros

Lawrence Butler or Michael Helman Player Schedules
Date	Opp	Opp Pitcher	VBR	Opp	Opp Pitcher	VBR
	Lawrence Butler CF,RF - ATH			Michael Helman CF - TEX
Fri, Mar 27th	@ TOR	Kevin Gausman (9-12)	#36
Sat, Mar 28th	@ TOR	Dylan Cease (11-6)		@ PHI	Aaron Nola (7-12)	#68
Sun, Mar 29th	@ TOR	Eric Lauer (8-7)		@ PHI	Jesus Luzardo (14-5)
Mon, Mar 30th	@ ATL	Bryce Elder (8-8)		@ BAL	Chris Bassitt (9-5)	#175
Tue, Mar 31st	@ ATL	Jose Suarez		@ BAL	Zach Eflin (0-0)
Wed, Apr 1st	@ ATL	Chris Sale (14-9)	#3	@ BAL	Trevor Rogers (10-11)	#42
Fri, Apr 3rd	vs HOU	Cristian Javier (2-6)		vs CIN	Brady Singer (6-15)	#221
Sat, Apr 4th	vs HOU	Tatsuya Imai (6-4)	#231	vs CIN	Rhett Lowder (7-12)	#200
Sun, Apr 5th	vs HOU	Lance McCullers Jr. (2-3)		vs CIN	Chase Burns (15-3)
Tue, Apr 7th	@ NYY	Cam Schlittler (14-6)	#9	vs SEA	George Kirby (9-11)	#33
Wed, Apr 8th	@ NYY	Will Warren (11-6)	#69	vs SEA	Bryan Woo (12-10)	#13
Thu, Apr 9th	@ NYY	Ryan Weathers (5-8)
Fri, Apr 10th	@ NYM	Clay Holmes (6-8)	#83	@ LAD	Tyler Glasnow (5-2)	#10
Sat, Apr 11th	@ NYM	Kodai Senga (0-9)	#163	@ LAD	Emmet Sheehan (5-8)	#65
Sun, Apr 12th	@ NYM	Freddy Peralta (10-11)	#51	@ LAD	Roki Sasaki (5-5)	#102
Mon, Apr 13th	vs TEX	Nathan Eovaldi (11-10)	#66	@ ATH	Luis Severino (2-6)
Tue, Apr 14th	vs TEX	MacKenzie Gore (8-11)	#39	@ ATH	Jeffrey Springs (4-14)	#267
Wed, Apr 15th	vs TEX	Kumar Rocker (6-11)	#84	@ ATH	J.T. Ginn (9-8)
Thu, Apr 16th	vs TEX	Jack Leiter (3-7)		@ ATH	Jacob Lopez (7-5)	#251
Fri, Apr 17th	vs CWS	Davis Martin (9-8)	#73	@ SEA	Logan Gilbert (12-11)	#8
Sat, Apr 18th	vs CWS	Erick Fedde (8-9)	#157	@ SEA	George Kirby (9-11)	#33
Sun, Apr 19th	vs CWS	Noah Schultz (4-9)	#154	@ SEA	Bryan Woo (12-10)	#13
Mon, Apr 20th	@ SEA	Emerson Hancock (7-8)	#135
Tue, Apr 21st	@ SEA	Luis Castillo (4-11)	#97	vs PIT	Carmen Mlodzinski (8-7)	#52
Wed, Apr 22nd	@ SEA	Logan Gilbert (12-11)	#8	vs PIT	Braxton Ashcraft (14-6)
Fri, Apr 24th	@ TEX	Nathan Eovaldi (11-10)	#66	vs ATH	Luis Severino (2-6)
Sat, Apr 25th	@ TEX	MacKenzie Gore (8-11)	#39	vs ATH	Jeffrey Springs (4-14)	#267
Sun, Apr 26th	@ TEX	Kumar Rocker (6-11)	#84	vs ATH	J.T. Ginn (9-8)
Tue, Apr 28th	vs KC	Kris Bubic (4-2)	#74	vs NYY	Cam Schlittler (14-6)	#9
Wed, Apr 29th	vs KC	Michael Wacha (9-10)	#99	vs NYY	Elmer Rodriguez (0-3)	#203
Thu, Apr 30th	vs KC	Noah Cameron (9-8)	#91
Fri, May 1st	vs CLE	Joey Cantillo (11-9)	#63	@ DET	Jack Flaherty (3-8)	#179
Sat, May 2nd	vs CLE	Slade Cecconi (5-7)	#164	@ DET	Keider Montero (10-9)	#188
Sun, May 3rd	vs CLE	Parker Messick (12-9)	#29	@ DET	Tyler Holton (2-5)	#137
Tue, May 5th	@ PHI	Cristopher Sanchez (18-7)	#6	@ NYY	Elmer Rodriguez (0-3)	#203
Wed, May 6th	@ PHI	Zack Wheeler (14-5)	#5	@ NYY	Will Warren (11-6)	#69
Thu, May 7th	@ PHI	Andrew Painter (3-10)	#125	@ NYY	Paul Blackburn (7-3)	#250
Fri, May 8th	@ BAL	Kyle Bradish (7-14)		vs CHC	Ben Brown (4-2)
Sat, May 9th	@ BAL	Shane Baz (6-15)	#85	vs CHC	Edward Cabrera (5-5)	#126
Sun, May 10th	@ BAL	Keegan Akin (0-1)		vs CHC	Jameson Taillon (2-6)
Tue, May 12th	vs STL	Andre Pallante (12-9)	#87	vs ARI	Zac Gallen (3-9)	#216
Wed, May 13th	vs STL	Matthew Liberatore (6-14)	#95	vs ARI	Ryne Nelson (3-5)	#132
Thu, May 14th	vs STL	Michael McGreevy (7-9)	#109
Fri, May 15th	vs SF	Tyler Mahle (7-10)	#71	@ HOU	Spencer Arrighetti (9-9)	#181
Sat, May 16th	vs SF	Trevor McDonald (3-7)		@ HOU	Kai-Wei Teng (5-7)	#220
Sun, May 17th	vs SF	Adrian Houser (4-7)		@ HOU	Peter Lambert (8-10)	#185
Mon, May 18th	@ LAA	Walbert Urena (9-11)	#40	@ COL	Jose Quintana (2-3)	#281
Tue, May 19th	@ LAA	Reid Detmers (7-8)	#16	@ COL	Sammy Peralta	#242
Wed, May 20th	@ LAA	Jack Kochanowicz (2-5)		@ COL	Kyle Freeland (4-12)	#187
Thu, May 21st	@ LAA	Jose Soriano (12-8)	#23
Fri, May 22nd	@ SD	Walker Buehler (9-6)	#90	@ LAA	Grayson Rodriguez (5-8)	#64
Sat, May 23rd	@ SD	Lucas Giolito (2-3)		@ LAA	Walbert Urena (9-11)	#40
Sun, May 24th	@ SD	Michael King (12-10)	#55	@ LAA	Reid Detmers (7-8)	#16
Mon, May 25th	vs SEA	Luis Castillo (4-11)	#97	vs HOU	Tatsuya Imai (6-4)	#231
Tue, May 26th	vs SEA	Emerson Hancock (7-8)	#135	vs HOU	Jason Alexander (1-1)	#271
Wed, May 27th	vs SEA	Logan Gilbert (12-11)	#8	vs HOU	Mike Burrows (4-9)
Fri, May 29th	vs NYY	Carlos Rodon (7-3)	#32	vs KC	Stephen Kolek (4-3)
Sat, May 30th	vs NYY	Ryan Weathers (5-8)		vs KC	Seth Lugo (7-9)	#184
Sun, May 31st	vs NYY	Will Warren (11-6)	#69	vs KC	Michael Wacha (9-10)	#99
Tue, Jun 2nd	@ CHC	Jameson Taillon (2-6)		@ STL	Dustin May (7-9)	#35
Wed, Jun 3rd	@ CHC	Colin Rea (8-8)	#262	@ STL	Andre Pallante (12-9)	#87
Thu, Jun 4th	@ CHC	Shota Imanaga (11-10)	#49
Fri, Jun 5th	@ HOU	Peter Lambert (8-10)	#185	vs CLE	Parker Messick (12-9)	#29
Sat, Jun 6th	@ HOU	Tatsuya Imai (6-4)	#231	vs CLE	Tanner Bibee (7-15)	#80
Sun, Jun 7th	@ HOU	Mike Burrows (4-9)		vs CLE	Joey Cantillo (11-9)	#63
Mon, Jun 8th	vs MIL	Kyle Harrison (11-5)	#62
Tue, Jun 9th	vs MIL	Robert Gasser (5-5)	#43	@ KC	Stephen Kolek (4-3)
Wed, Jun 10th	vs MIL	Brandon Sproat (3-7)		@ KC	Seth Lugo (7-9)	#184
Fri, Jun 12th	vs COL	Sean Sullivan (0-3)	#236	@ BOS	Sonny Gray (18-5)	#45
Sat, Jun 13th	vs COL	Kyle Freeland (4-12)	#187	@ BOS	Ranger Suarez (8-5)	#70
Sun, Jun 14th	vs COL	Tomoyuki Sugano (12-12)	#263	@ BOS	Connelly Early (7-5)	#76
Mon, Jun 15th	vs PIT	Jared Jones (5-6)	#27	vs MIN	Mike Paredes (0-3)
Tue, Jun 16th	vs PIT	Mitch Keller (6-8)		vs MIN	Zebby Matthews (9-11)	#134
Wed, Jun 17th	vs PIT	Braxton Ashcraft (14-6)
Thu, Jun 18th	vs LAA	Ryan Johnson (5-9)	#170	vs MIN	Joe Ryan (7-10)	#25
Fri, Jun 19th	vs LAA	Jose Soriano (12-8)	#23	vs SD	Randy Vasquez (10-6)	#245
Sat, Jun 20th	vs LAA	Walbert Urena (9-11)	#40	vs SD	Walker Buehler (9-6)	#90
Sun, Jun 21st	vs LAA	Reid Detmers (7-8)	#16	vs SD	Wandy Peralta (3-3)	#264
Tue, Jun 23rd	@ SF	Robbie Ray (13-8)	#198	@ MIA	Sandy Alcantara (13-11)	#77
Wed, Jun 24th	@ SF	Tyler Mahle (7-10)	#71	@ MIA	Eury Perez (8-11)	#22
Thu, Jun 25th	@ SF	Landen Roupp (9-14)		@ TOR	Kevin Gausman (9-12)	#36
Fri, Jun 26th	@ LAA	Walbert Urena (9-11)	#40	@ TOR	Patrick Corbin (3-4)
Sat, Jun 27th	@ LAA	Reid Detmers (7-8)	#16	@ TOR	Dylan Cease (11-6)
Sun, Jun 28th	@ LAA	Sam Aldegheri (3-4)	#239	@ TOR	Shane Bieber (5-2)
Mon, Jun 29th	vs LAD	Eric Lauer (8-7)		@ CLE	Parker Messick (12-9)	#29
Tue, Jun 30th	vs LAD	Justin Wrobleski (12-5)	#50	@ CLE	Tanner Bibee (7-15)	#80
Wed, Jul 1st	vs LAD	Jack Dreyer (5-2)	#112	@ CLE	Joey Cantillo (11-9)	#63
Fri, Jul 3rd	vs MIA	Tyler Phillips (5-6)	#247
Sat, Jul 4th	vs MIA	Sandy Alcantara (13-11)	#77	vs DET	Jack Flaherty (3-8)	#179
Sun, Jul 5th	vs MIA	Eury Perez (8-11)	#22	vs DET	Casey Mize (6-10)	#47
Tue, Jul 7th	@ DET	Tarik Skubal (12-7)	#2	vs LAA	Jose Soriano (12-8)	#23
Wed, Jul 8th	@ DET	Troy Melton (8-5)		vs LAA	Walbert Urena (9-11)	#40
Thu, Jul 9th	@ DET	Framber Valdez (10-12)	#53	vs LAA	Reid Detmers (7-8)	#16
Fri, Jul 10th	@ CWS	Sean Burke (11-7)	#58	vs HOU	Hunter Brown (6-4)	#19
Sat, Jul 11th	@ CWS	Bryan Hudson (5-4)	#141	vs HOU	Peter Lambert (8-10)	#185
Sun, Jul 12th	@ CWS	Noah Schultz (4-9)	#154	vs HOU	Cristian Javier (2-6)
Fri, Jul 17th	vs WSH	Cade Cavalli (13-5)	#34	@ ATL	Chris Sale (14-9)	#3
Sat, Jul 18th	vs WSH	Zack Littell (8-8)		@ ATL	Owen Murphy (0-1)	#160
Sun, Jul 19th	vs WSH	Foster Griffin (15-6)	#54	@ ATL	Grant Holmes (10-6)	#193
Mon, Jul 20th	@ ARI	Mitch Bratt (1-3)		vs CWS	Erick Fedde (8-9)	#157
Tue, Jul 21st	@ ARI	Kohl Drake (0-1)	#123	vs CWS	Noah Schultz (4-9)	#154
Wed, Jul 22nd	@ ARI	Merrill Kelly (10-14)	#146	vs CWS	Anthony Kay (10-9)	#121
Fri, Jul 24th	@ MIN	Zebby Matthews (9-11)	#134	vs SEA	Bryce Miller (4-10)	#31
Sat, Jul 25th	@ MIN	Kendry Rojas (1-1)		vs SEA	Bryan Woo (12-10)	#13
Sun, Jul 26th	@ MIN	Connor Prielipp (6-7)	#110	vs SEA	Logan Gilbert (12-11)	#8
Mon, Jul 27th	vs BOS	Payton Tolle (9-6)	#30	vs SEA	George Kirby (9-11)	#33
Tue, Jul 28th	vs BOS	Jake Bennett (9-7)	#210	@ TB	Griffin Jax (8-10)	#67
Wed, Jul 29th	vs BOS	Patrick Sandoval (1-7)	#92	@ TB	Casey Legumina (2-2)	#261
Thu, Jul 30th	vs BOS	Sonny Gray (18-5)	#45	@ TB	Shane McClanahan (10-7)
Fri, Jul 31st	vs DET	Tyler Holton (2-5)	#137	@ HOU	Hunter Brown (6-4)	#19
Sat, Aug 1st	vs DET	Framber Valdez (10-12)	#53	@ HOU	Ronel Blanco (0-1)	#207
Sun, Aug 2nd	vs DET	Keider Montero (10-9)	#188	@ HOU	Peter Lambert (8-10)	#185
Tue, Aug 4th	@ CIN	Brady Singer (6-15)	#221	vs SF	Blade Tidwell (1-2)
Wed, Aug 5th	@ CIN	Rhett Lowder (7-12)	#200	vs SF	Carson Whisenhunt (3-4)
Thu, Aug 6th	@ CIN	Andrew Abbott (6-11)	#149
Fri, Aug 7th	@ BOS	Payton Tolle (9-6)	#30	vs BAL	Shane Baz (6-15)	#85
Sat, Aug 8th	@ BOS	Jake Bennett (9-7)	#210	vs BAL	Kyle Bradish (7-14)
Sun, Aug 9th	@ BOS	Erik Miller		vs BAL	Cade Povich (2-1)	#173
Mon, Aug 10th	vs TB	Freddy Peralta (10-11)	#51	@ LAA	Reid Detmers (7-8)	#16
Tue, Aug 11th	vs TB	Nick Martinez (15-6)	#208	@ LAA	Ryan Johnson (5-9)	#170
Wed, Aug 12th	vs TB	Drew Rasmussen (16-5)	#26	@ LAA	George Klassen (2-2)
Fri, Aug 14th	vs TEX	Kumar Rocker (6-11)	#84	@ ATH	Gage Jump (6-11)
Sat, Aug 15th	vs TEX	MacKenzie Gore (8-11)	#39	@ ATH	J.T. Ginn (9-8)
Sun, Aug 16th	vs TEX	Cody Bradford (0-5)	#139	@ ATH	Jacob Lopez (7-5)	#251
Mon, Aug 17th	@ KC	Michael Wacha (9-10)	#99
Tue, Aug 18th	@ KC	Daniel Lynch (6-6)	#256	vs WSH	Jackson Kent (2-4)
Wed, Aug 19th	@ KC	Seth Lugo (7-9)	#184	vs WSH	Cade Cavalli (13-5)	#34
Thu, Aug 20th	@ KC	Randy Dobnak (3-5)	#254	vs WSH	Andrew Alvarez (2-6)	#88
Fri, Aug 21st	@ HOU	Hayden Wesneski (6-2)	#100	vs LAA	Reid Detmers (7-8)	#16
Sat, Aug 22nd	@ HOU	Hunter Brown (6-4)	#19	vs LAA	Ryan Johnson (5-9)	#170
Sun, Aug 23rd	@ HOU	Cristian Javier (2-6)		vs LAA	Yusei Kikuchi (1-7)	#57
Mon, Aug 24th	vs MIN	Zebby Matthews (9-11)	#134	@ CWS	Jose Urquidy	#232
Tue, Aug 25th	vs MIN	Taj Bradley (12-6)	#44	@ CWS	Anthony Kay (10-9)	#121
Wed, Aug 26th	vs MIN	Connor Prielipp (6-7)	#110	@ CWS	Sean Burke (11-7)	#58
Fri, Aug 28th	vs BAL	Brandon Young (9-6)	#168	@ MIL	Logan Henderson (11-3)	#11
Sat, Aug 29th	vs BAL	Shane Baz (6-15)	#85	@ MIL	Shane Drohan (7-5)	#128
Sun, Aug 30th	vs BAL	Chris Bassitt (9-5)	#175	@ MIL	Dustin May (7-9)	#35
Mon, Aug 31st	@ TEX	Jacob deGrom (11-11)	#12	vs ATH	Gage Jump (6-11)
Tue, Sep 1st	@ TEX	MacKenzie Gore (8-11)	#39	vs ATH	Brady Basso (1-4)	#194
Wed, Sep 2nd	@ TEX	Cody Bradford (0-5)	#139	vs ATH	Jacob Lopez (7-5)	#251
Thu, Sep 3rd	@ SEA	Kade Anderson (2-2)	#37	vs TB	Shane McClanahan (10-7)
Fri, Sep 4th	@ SEA	Logan Gilbert (12-11)	#8	vs TB	Nick Martinez (15-6)	#208
Sat, Sep 5th	@ SEA	George Kirby (9-11)	#33	vs TB	Drew Rasmussen (16-5)	#26
Sun, Sep 6th	@ SEA	Bryan Woo (12-10)	#13	vs TB	Ian Seymour (9-7)	#60
Mon, Sep 7th	vs TOR	Dylan Cease (11-6)
Tue, Sep 8th	vs TOR	Jose Soriano (12-8)	#23	@ SEA	Bryce Miller (4-10)	#31
Wed, Sep 9th	vs TOR	Braydon Fisher (3-4)	#158	@ SEA	Kade Anderson (2-2)	#37
Fri, Sep 11th	vs SEA	George Kirby (9-11)	#33	@ ARI	Merrill Kelly (10-14)	#146
Sat, Sep 12th	vs SEA	Bryan Woo (12-10)	#13	@ ARI	Brandon Pfaadt (8-3)	#130
Sun, Sep 13th	vs SEA	Bryce Miller (4-10)	#31	@ ARI	Eduardo Rodriguez (16-7)	#191
Tue, Sep 15th	@ TB	Griffin Jax (8-10)	#67	vs BOS	Patrick Sandoval (1-7)	#92
Wed, Sep 16th	@ TB	Nick Martinez (15-6)	#208	vs BOS	Jake Bennett (9-7)	#210
Thu, Sep 17th	@ TB	Drew Rasmussen (16-5)	#26	vs BOS	Sonny Gray (18-5)	#45
Fri, Sep 18th	@ CLE	Daniel Espino (0-0)		vs TOR	Dylan Cease (11-6)
Sat, Sep 19th	@ CLE	Tanner Bibee (7-15)	#80	vs TOR	Jose Soriano (12-8)	#23
Sun, Sep 20th	@ CLE	Gavin Williams (14-8)	#20	vs TOR	Spencer Miles (6-2)	#98
Tue, Sep 22nd	vs LAA	Yusei Kikuchi (1-7)	#57	vs NYM	Sean Manaea (6-8)	#46
Wed, Sep 23rd	vs LAA	Walbert Urena (9-11)	#40	vs NYM	Nolan McLean (12-10)	#28
Thu, Sep 24th	vs HOU	Peter Lambert (8-10)	#185	vs NYM	Zac Thornton (5-6)	#122
Fri, Sep 25th	vs HOU	Hunter Brown (6-4)	#19	@ MIN	Joe Ryan (7-10)	#25
Sat, Sep 26th	vs HOU	Hayden Wesneski (6-2)	#100	@ MIN	Bailey Ober (7-7)	#155
Sun, Sep 27th	vs HOU	Peter Lambert (8-10)	#185	@ MIN	Dean Kremer (5-5)	#81
Thu, Mar 26th				@ PHI	Cristopher Sanchez (18-7)	#6
Mon, Apr 6th				vs SEA	Logan Gilbert (12-11)	#8
Thu, Apr 23rd				vs PIT	Bubba Chandler (8-10)	#59
Mon, Apr 27th				vs NYY	Max Fried (5-5)	#21
Mon, May 11th				vs ARI	Michael Soroka (9-5)	#48
Thu, May 28th				vs HOU	Spencer Arrighetti (9-9)	#181
Mon, Jun 1st				@ STL	Michael McGreevy (7-9)	#109
Thu, Jun 11th				@ KC	Michael Wacha (9-10)	#99
Mon, Jun 22nd				@ MIA	Tyler Phillips (5-6)	#247
Thu, Jul 2nd				vs DET	Framber Valdez (10-12)	#53
Mon, Aug 3rd				vs SF	Logan Webb (8-9)
Thu, Aug 13th				@ LAA	Walbert Urena (9-11)	#40
Thu, Sep 10th				@ SEA	Logan Gilbert (12-11)	#8